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Quality Importance
Top High Mid Low NA Other ??? Total
FA 8 17 40 81 2 148
FL 3 3 6
A 1 1 1 3
GA 10 37 83 409 69 608
B 51 150 409 1,243 2,954 4,807
C 18 168 772 7,069 2 15,612 23,641
Start 4 96 1,175 25,089 12 58,196 84,572
Stub 1 16 357 31,481 8 44,722 76,585
List 4 4 173 1 166 348
Category 10,424 1 10,425
Disambig 28 28
File 73 73
Project 7 7
Redirect 1 424 788 1,213
Template 305 14 319
NA 1 16 17
Other 1 1 69 71
Assessed 92 489 2,846 65,975 11,733 15 121,721 202,871
Unassessed 1 69 812 882
Total 92 489 2,847 66,044 11,733 15 122,533 203,753
WikiWork factors (?) ω = 992,543 Ω = 5.21


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Temmie Chang

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Temmie Chang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This biography of a living person was published with no sources, and is promotional and unencyclopedic in tone. A ProQuest search yields 11 hits, all of which are brief mentions of her as a collaborator with Toby Fox and contributor of artwork to his video game, Undertale. A Google search yields more, but these do not meet Wikipedia standards for reliability (see WP:RELIABLESOURCES) and do not contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense. Does not meet WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Escaped Chasm. I've done source searching for her in the past out of curiosity regarding if she could have an article or not. She's not notable, and I don't think an argument could be made for her to pass WP:NARTIST either. So, with that being said, redirect this article to Escaped Chasm, which is a game that she created and actually has an article. λ NegativeMP1 04:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unsourced WP:BLP. Sadly the page history shows this was never close to being adequately sourced. A redirect or merge to Escaped Chasm is not ideal as it doesn't contain biographical information and isn't the thing Chang is most known for, but is better than nothing! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Meets WP:NCREATIVE #3 as she played a major role in co-creating Undertale as its lead artist and concept artist, which some might call one of the best known indie games ever made without hyperbole, as well as Deltarune with a similar role. If Escaped Chasm is actually notable, it would give further credence to her being a notable creative. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately most of the coverage on Undertale focuses on Toby and mentions Temmie's role only very briefly (plus the fact that there is a creature named after her). Cielquiparle (talk) 02:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is completely wrong. Temmie is not regarded as a co-creator of Undertale, and she is only discussed as the artist for that game on the Undertale article (where she is covered in one sentence of the articles body). I also don't think NCREATIVE is valid here because of WP:INHERITED, due to the aforementioned lack of commentary about Temmie Chang's role in the game. There are practically zero reliable sources that discuss her as a person. λ NegativeMP1 02:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per NegativeMP. The page, as is, should be deleted due to the complete absence of sources. Madeleine (talk) 16:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

    Sources

    1. Benoit-Gonin, Corentin (2023). L' anomalie Undertale Décryptage d'un Jeu Monstre [The Undertale Anomaly: Decoding a Monster Game] (in French). Namur: Third Éditions. ISBN 978-2-37784-433-3. Retrieved 2024-12-30 – via Google Books.

      The book discusses her on 3.25 pages. The book notes: "TEMMIE CHANG Certes, Undertale représente surtout le fruit de l'imagination de Toby Fox. Mais dire qu'il est le seul artisan du titre est exagéré. Parlons de Temmie Chang, ou Tuyoki, comme elle se fait souvent appeler en ligne. Née en 1993, elle a deux ans de moins que Fox et récolte une part importante des lauriers matérialisés par le jeu. Temmie Chang se découvre une passion pour les univers vidéo-ludiques très tôt, à l'époque où elle regardait son cousin jouer à Breath of Fire, un classique du J-RPG sur Super NES. L'ambiance lui tape dans l'œil, et plus encore le pixel art, tant ce style graphique se révèle capable de convoyer beaucoup d'émotions en montrant très peu. Autour de 2006, elle commence à comprendre qu'il est possible de produire de l'art numérique et de le partager sur Internet, notamment sur un site qui prend de plus en plus d'ampleur, DeviantArt. Sa famille l'encourage à poursuivre dans cette voie, ce qui la pousse à travailler son coup de stylet. En parallèle, d'autres créations pixelisées débarquent en ligne, par exemple les titres de 2004 Yume Nikki et Cave Story - ne vous en faites pas, on va très bientôt recroiser le chemin de ces deux-là dans ce livre – et avec eux de véritables fandoms12 dont les membres fournissent de magnifiques illustrations et de formidables petits métrages d'animation. ... Le refus de cette vision étriquée, mais répandue, de l'art la fait hésiter à se professionnaliser, mais elle opte finalement pour une formation en animation 2D qu'elle suit au Pratt Institute, un établissement à New York."

      From Google Translate: "TEMMIE CHANG Of course, Undertale is mostly the fruit of Toby Fox's imagination. But to say that he is the sole creator of the title would be an exaggeration. Let's talk about Temmie Chang, or Tuyoki, as she often goes by online. Born in 1993, she is two years younger than Fox and reaps a significant share of the game's laurels. Temmie Chang discovered her passion for video game universes very early on, when she watched her cousin play Breath of Fire, a classic J-RPG on Super NES. The atmosphere caught her eye, and even more so pixel art, as this graphic style is capable of conveying a lot of emotion by showing very little. Around 2006, she began to understand that it was possible to produce digital art and share it on the Internet, particularly on a site that was gaining momentum, DeviantArt. Her family encouraged her to continue in this direction, which pushed her to work on her pen stroke. At the same time, other pixelated creations arrived online, for example the 2004 titles Yume Nikki and Cave Story - don't worry, we'll soon cross paths with these two in this book - and with them real fandoms12 whose members provided magnificent illustrations and great short animated films. ... The rejection of this narrow but widespread vision of art made her hesitate to become a professional, but she finally opted for training in 2D animation that she followed at the Pratt Institute, an establishment in New York."

    2. Ayub, Simon (2020-11-04). "Temmie Chang: 10 facts you should know about the Undertale animator". Tuko.co.ke. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.

      The Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism said, "In the online space, the digital native Tuko's mix of celebrity, entertainment, and political news with a light touch has proved successful." The article's tone is very positive about Temmie Chang. The article notes: "Temmie Chang was born on April 2, 1993, in Brooklyn, New York. This means that the talented animator is 27 years old as of 2020. The name Temmie was her grandmother's nickname. There is not much information about Temmie Chang’s parents and childhood. However, it is known that she graduated from the Pratt Institute in New York, which is a senior, private non-profit learning centre. Temmie graduated from the institution with a degree in 2D animation. This must have been the stepping stone to her remarkable career achievements in graphic designing and animation."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Temmie Chang to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 10:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not convinced that Tuko.co.ke is a reliable source. But the book published by Third Editions looks like it could pass. Did you find any other sources? Cielquiparle (talk) 11:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The other sources I found were passing mentions. Tuko.co.ke has not been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard so it is unclear whether it is reliable. In my research, the website shows signs of reliability based on Wikipedia:Reliable sources#News organizations. The website has editorial oversight and editorial standards. The website publishes corrections like this one. Tuko.co.ke has been cited in numerous books such as The Oxford Handbook of Kenyan Politics (Oxford University Press), Kenyan, Christian, Queer: Religion, LGBT Activism, and Arts of Resistance in Africa (Penn State University Press), Understanding the Higher Education Market in Africa (Taylor & Francis), To be Or Not to be: Sudan at Crossroads: a Pan-African Perspective: a Black African Nation Undone by the Ideology of Islamo-Arabism (Mkuki na Nyota), Doing Business in Kenya: Opportunities and Challenges (Taylor & Francis), and Digital Kenya: An Entrepreneurial Revolution in the Making (Palgrave Macmillan). Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism says on page 156, "Traditional media houses also face competition online from digital-born websites such as Tuku.co.ke, which reaches around 70% of our online sample each week. Much of its content is focused on entertainment and gossip attracting a younger audience. Tuku.co.ke also has a reputation for breaking and frequently updated news, which many older outlets struggle to match." Cunard (talk) 12:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet aesthetic

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Internet aesthetic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is largely an essay lackign a sourced defintion of "internet aesthetic" and collection of topics that aren't supported through any source suggesting their connection to this term. This is largely WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. There is one source from Vogue in 2022 that references "internet aesthetics" but not in connection to wide range of examples provided here. ZimZalaBim talk 05:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Visual arts, Fashion, and Internet. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Presents a list of things that are somewhat related, more of a meme or trends than any sort of related aesthetic items. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete All of this is synthesis. Just because an aethetic or design or fashion is popular in the modern day and is discussed on the internet does not mean it is an "internet aethetic". That's just how the world works now, not a substantive cohesive concept: "that usually originates from the Internet or is popularized on it" – very little in the last 20 years wasn't popularized on the internet, so this is a meaningless characteristic unless you are just fluffing up the most recent and niche trends. "micro-trends such as mob wife and tomato girl summer" Groan. Which sources actually bring the concepts here together? Reywas92Talk 14:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete For all reasons above. At most, this might be best suited as a category for worthwhile articles such as Corecore, dark academia, light academia, and so on. Only problem is that the title is itself a wholesale invention. I don't think it's influenced the popular literature to remain as . Ornov Ganguly TALK 17:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I agree with the nom and the arguments presented that the article is a synthesis of original research. Perhaps in a few years if scholarly books or articles are written about this topic it will become notable. At this time it is not. Netherzone (talk) 18:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Reiterating my !vote. The two source analysis tables below by @WomenArtistUpdates are very convincing. The term is WP:SYNTH, and the article is WP:OR; the subject does not meet criteria for WP:GNG. At this point it is simply a figure of speech, but not a wiki-notable one per the source analyses. I do not think that what is being argued in the k**p !votes has the exactitude necessary to prove that this concept is a "thing" represented clearly and significantly in reliable sources outside of searching for the two terms being used in the same sentence or paragraph. If one googles "orange" and "avocado" together in a search, that does not mean that "orange avocados" exist, nor that "avocado flavored oranges" exist. (The same could be said for "internet orange avocados".) The article should not be retained in the encyclopedia and should be deleted at this time. Netherzone (talk) 18:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Agree with everyone else. History being a definition of aesthetic with a line from Vogue tacked on? Seems like a desperate, last minute high school essay more than an article. There are individual elements which might be able to stand on their own, but as a whole it's all over the place. Tengu99 (talk) 03:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pageviews does not establish notability. See WP:POPULARPAGE. --ZimZalaBim talk 22:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is an essay. Essays have nothing to do with policy or guidelines, they are opinion. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, and I suspect most editors here respect the views expressed at WP:ATA. --ZimZalaBim talk 14:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Respect is fine but is not a policy or guideline. Many editors name essays as if they were canon, they are not. They are opinion and have nothing to do with deletion close decisions (or at least shouldn't). Sources have been found and listed for this topic, and that should be enough, per GNG, to keep the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination mentions a lack of sourced definitions, here is a link to some (disregard the first, Wikipedia, and look beyond that, such as this long and detailed screenshot article). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. While the majority of sources are unusable, the Glamour article, this First Monday article, and potentially this German one are all usable. Ornov Ganguly TALK 12:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor Talk 06:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Clearly significant coverage of this, not in stuffy academic literature yet, but that's not a requirement for notability. I've spot-checked a couple of the listed aesthetics and found multiple people referring to them as 'Internet Aesthetics', or found them on lists of 'Internet Aesthetics' of course if things on this list are not called 'Internet Aesthetics' they shouldn't be there, and can be removed. (If that happens to leave us with the two that I picked at random, a delete might be appropriate!) JeffUK 11:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Move - Coverage about the topic exists but the information should be rewritten to fit an encyclopedic tone.
Miiversal (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s easy to dismiss aesthetics, particularly some of the wackier ones, as superficial and frivolous. But Alexander Cho, a digital-media researcher at UC Santa Barbara, told me that they can be “really important, especially for young adults in terms of creating or fashioning a self.” If you have a hunch about who you are, it’s incredibly easy now to search for images and ideas that help you refine that sense of self.
On the opposite end this Vox article on aesthethics criticizes them as fleeting, hollow and commercial. Prospect magazine did a similar article. I can definitely understand how compared to hippies, goth, punk, etc., these niche aesthetic subcultures can seem inconsequential and like short-lived trends of the past. But there is a long-term movement away from large-scale countercultures towards niche subcultures, which makes comparing them anachronistic. The physical ecosystems of the past (clothing stores, music concerts, magazines, etc.) could only sustain a limited number of subcultures, so people outside of the mainstream only had limited groups to join, and this inflated their numbers. The current digital ecosystem (social media sites, online shopping, etc.) can support a wide diversity of niche subcultures which the larger subcultures are splintering into.
Individually most of these aesthetics subcultures are not notable, but collectively they are a sizeable movement that currently has no other article to be discussed in. Photos of Japan (talk) 02:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We have plenty of editors here who disagree over whether "internet aesthetic" is or is not a real "thing" but we rely on sources to determine this. We have a disagreement over whether there are reliable sources verifying the subject's notability while other editors see the article as OR. Could we get a source assessment to settle this dispute over whether there are adequate sources providing SIGCOV or not?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Of the three sources cited by the last user, none of them use the term "internet aesthetic" (one says "internet aestheticization", though). To me this argues that the label is an attempt to tie together different things in an WP:OR way. I don't have a strong keep/delete opinion. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 13:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Vox article uses both "online aesthetic" and "digital aesthetic". In reality these are just referred to as "aesthetic" most of the time, but when trying to discuss them and clearly differentiate them from regular aesthetics people sometimes put an adjective in front of them. This article could be renamed something like Aesthetic (internet). Photos of Japan (talk) 16:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is precisely the problem with pretty much all sources attempted. They talk about aesthetics that happen to be common/connected to the internet, but that doesn't make them an "internet aesthetic". Just because people find examples of cottagecore online doesn't make it an "internet aesthetic. --ZimZalaBim talk 17:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a problem with the sources though, but a problem with the article. The article should just refer to these as "aesthetics" and probably be named something along the lines of Aesthetics (parenthetical differentiator), but there's no clear word to put in the parentheses to differentiate it from the Aesthetics article. Photos of Japan (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There have been two recurring concerns brought up here: that the grouping of aesthetics here is WP:OR, and that internet aesthetics lack WP:SIGCOV. Discussion has been fragmented, so I will comprehensively address both here.
WP:OR/WP:SYNTH concerns
There are two practical methods for determining what counts as an internet aesthetic for the purpose of being incorporated into this article. For the first, any entry in the Aesthetics Wiki can simply be considered an aesthetic. The Aesthetics Wiki has wide currency as the space on the internet where aesthetics are being documented and catalogued, with multiple rs's that go in depth on internet aesthetics primarily referencing the wiki ([8][9][10]).
For the second practical method, anything containing a common aesthetic suffix or which commonly has "aesthetic" appended to the end of it can be considered an internet aesthetic for this article. For instance, "Clean Girl" is often referred to as "Clean Girl aesthetic" ([11] [12]). Common aesthetic suffixes include “core” (e.g., cottagecore), “goth” (e.g., cybergoth), “kei” (e.g., cult party kei), “punk” (e.g., sea punk), “wave” (e.g., sovietwave), and “academia” (e.g., dark academia)
WP:SIGCOV
Just glancing at the references section and looking at their titles shows that "aesthetics" in the internet sense is in widespread use by reliable sources. However, the main concern people have is whether there is significant coverage to establish them as a concept. This is unequivocally the case with multiple sources delving in depth into aesthetics:
With these (and others) there is enough to write fairly sizeable history, definition, and criticism sections. A concern that has been raised is that these do not all use the term "internet aesthetic". Many terms are used: "online aesthetic", "digital aesthetic", "micro aesthetic", etc. Most commonly they are simply called "aesthetics" (it is tangential to the discussion of notability, but I believe this article should simply refer to them as "aesthetics" and be renamed something like Aesthetic (internet)). Regardless of what they call it, it is clear they are all referring to the same concept, and are referring to things which would be considered internet aesthetics by the two practical methods described earlier.
Issues concerning the article lacking a cited definition, or other content issues have been raised, but should be addressed through editing. The lack of a cited definition is not due to lack of sources trying to define aesthetics, but due to the difficulty in defining them. I am working on a summary of how different sources have discussed its usage, but it is a linguistically complex issue and will likely take a few days. Photos of Japan (talk) 08:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Seems like an article on Aesthetics Wiki (now a redirect) would/could use the sources above more accurately. It is a tangible thing that exists, controversies and all. I don't think a case has been made that Internet aesthetic exists. Perhaps reversing the redirect would allow for a wiki worthy article that could touch on the topics listed now that fall into OR. I suggest redirect and rewrite as an alternative to deletion, unless a [fandom site] is never considered notable, in which case I stick with removing the article.I do not find any reliable sourcing for this article as it stands and don't see how it can be edited into anything wiki-worthy.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet aesthetics exist and are straightforward to identify as such even if they are hard to define. It doesn't help that "The terms "internet aesthetic" and "aesthetic" are often used interchangeably." To simply borrow the description from the wiki:
Aesthetics have now come to mean a collection of images, colors, objects, music, and writings that creates a specific emotion, purpose, and community.
Aesthetics largely emerged from the categorization of media across social aggregation websites (Instagram, Tumblr, Pinterest, etc.). Broadly speaking "aesthetics" is used to variably to describe collections of media that exemplify something akin to a style or trend, the lifestyles and communities based around them, and the individuals that identify with them. Various sources discuss, however, how they differ from things like styles (not explicitly defined, instead typically illustrated by collections of exemplifying materials), and subcultures (communities around aesthetics don't require physical participation, are more ephemeral, tend to lack political stances/morals/etc.) It is very difficult trying to summarize the various sources' descriptions of how "aesthetics" is used and what "aesthetics" are, while avoiding WP:SYNTH, due to the variety of closely related meanings the word has and the lack of a linguistics source comprehensively and explicitly detailing how the word is being used. However, all of the sources are in common agreement as to what things are aesthetics (e.g. cottagecore, Y2K aesthetic, Dark academia, etc.), these all either end in common aesthetics suffixes or are referred to as "X aesthetic" widely across social media, and are documented and appear in the Aesthetics wiki. Some sources that discuss them include:
The aesthetics of the self: The meaning-making of Internet aesthetics article in First Monday (journal) exploring and characterizing the nature of internet aesthetics:
In this study we explore the so-called Internet aesthetics, labels applied on heterogenous collections of materials and activities by Internet users, which are discussed and constructed primarily on the Internet.
Do I have an Aesthetic? article on aesthetics in Vogue (magazine)
What I’m asking in these moments is, in internet parlance, what is my aesthetic? ... I’m suddenly aware of just how many hyper-specific aesthetics with handy, catchy names already exist on the internet. Overtime, “aesthetic” has evolved from an academic word and something utilized by artists and auteurs to something to categorize our own identities by. It can mean both personal style and a vague stand-in for beauty ... Pinterest says that there has been a growing interest in aesthetics since 2018, with a “large spike of 60% in searches for simply “core aesthetic” as Pinners discovered different types of aesthetics to shape their identity,” ... On Tumblr, users would build their blogs around a particular theme, whether it was cottagecore or a collage of images representing a character from a TV show. These niches have blossomed and expanded. One Tumblr user, who goes by Fairypage, took notice of just how many aesthetics were being defined online, and decided to make the AestheticsWiki ... has her own definition for what an aesthetic is: The stylistically consistent multimodal manifestation of an imagined lifeworld. In other words, “Something is an aesthetic if you can look at an image [or song] and say ‘yeah that belongs there.’”
All style, no substance: the problem of aesthetics in 2023 article on aesthetics in Prospect (magazine)
Aesthetics is no longer an investigative term for the science of beauty and taste, but an umbrella term for online subcultures, a byword for “vibe”. And you can do more than just admire an aesthetic: it’s now something you can be too, if you wear the right clothes and listen to the right playlist. As the wiki itself puts it, “There is currently no dictionary definition that captures the complexity of this phenomenon, which arose in the Internet youth.”
Cottagecore Was Just the Beginning article on aesthetics in The Atlantic:
At this point, the word aesthetic is totally divorced from its academic origins. While Tumblr users mainstreamed it years ago, many teenagers use aesthetic as an all-purpose adjective—“that’s so aesthetic” as a shorthand for “that’s so aesthetically pleasing to me.” But in broader internet parlance, it now means a collection of signifiers or, more precisely, a “vibe.”
Decoding Internet Fashion: 20 Aesthetics for 2023 marketing analysis of internet aesthetics by Ipsos
To understand each aesthetic, we analyzed 8 million posts – including text, images, and videos – related to Angelcore, Art Hoe, Baddie, Clean Girl, Coastal Grandmother, Cottagecore, Dark Academia, E-girl, Emo, Fairycore, Grunge, Indie, Kawaii, Kidcore, Light Academia, Old Money, Skater Girl, Soft Girl, Vintage, and Y2K. Hashtags for each of the aesthetics have generated billions of views and interactions on TikTok, displaying content from influencers, brands, and “normal” platform users. While TikTok generates the most engagement on aesthetics-related posts, Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram are also go-to sites to share and discuss content.'
Style at Home: Internet aesthetics: cottagecore vs. cluttercore article in The Detroit News:
The aesthetics tend to be more than just a design choice, sometimes also embodying a fantastical-seeming lifestyle.
Ranking 2023's Internet Aesthetic Trends article in Paper (magazine)
More sources exist, but I believe these are sufficient to show that internet aesthetics (e.g. Corecore, Y2K aesthetic, Light academia, Cottagecore) exist, and have recieved WP:SIGCOV, even if they are conceptually difficult to describe. Photos of Japan (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It really seems like you're conflating the existence and study of aesthetics that happen to be online to the existence of an "internet aesthetic". This is the core OR/SYNTH issue at hand. --ZimZalaBim talk 14:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This paper details what internet aesthetics are. Just glancing through the abstract and introduction establishes their existence. Photos of Japan (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The paper referred to above states in the Abstract In this study we explore the so-called Internet aesthetics labels applied on heterogenous collections of materials and activities, which are discussed and constructed primarily on the Internet (mainly onInstagram, Tumblr and Pinterest). In contrast to established notions, such as genre, style or subculture, Internet aesthetics are characterized by few conventions, but seem fundamentally open for individual interpretations. (emphasis mine). It fails to define Internet aesthetics in any useful way, in fact it takes a step back from supplying any useful information by stating that it is whatever one wants it to be. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that "so-called" is often used in an ironic sense to cast doubt on something (i.e. implying that something is merely "called" something but isn't actually that thing), but this paper is using "so-called" in the straightforward sense: "used to show that something or someone is commonly designated by the name or term specified".
The paper spends half of its text describing and characterizing internet aesthetics, and arguing that they aren't "styles", "genres", "subcultures", etc. It isn't saying internet aesthetics are whatever you want them to be when it says that they are "fundamentally open for individual interpretations". Rather it is saying that what defines an internet aesthetic is the mood that the individual feels, and that different media affect individuals differently, allowing individuals to select media which set the mood for them.
For instance, a beanie baby might evoke feelings of childhood nostalgia in someone here, while for an old Japanese man Daruma otoshi might evoke feelings of childhood nostalgia. Internet aesthetics are characterized by collections of exemplifying media (songs, images, etc.) that set a certain mood, but are fundamentally open to individuals to include or exclude things that don't evoke that mood for them, rather than being prescriptive (like a style or genre) and being defined based off external, sensorial qualities. Photos of Japan (talk) 04:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made a source assessment table for 20 pf the citations without finding significant coverage of the term Internet aesthetic. I will do the other 21 when time permits. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.vogue.com/article/do-i-have-an-aesthetic Yes Yes No article discusses aesthetics and does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://csmt.uchicago.edu/glossary2004/aesthetics.htm Yes Yes No definition of aesthetics - does not mention "intent aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/lifestyle/what-is-an-art-hoe-aesthetic-5555291 Vancouver Is Awesome No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/56630/1/young-women-on-the-internet-love-lolita-nymphet-tumblr-coquette-aesthetic No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://screenshot-media.com/culture/internet-culture/weirdcore-explained/ No article about Weirdcore ✘ No
https://www.voguebusiness.com/story/fashion/set-follow-or-skip-how-brands-should-navigate-micro-trends Yes Yes No article about micro-trends does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/core Yes Yes No passing use of the term to help define micro-trend ✘ No
https://time.com/6248637/corecore-tiktok-aesthetic/ Yes Yes No article about Corecore does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/19/year-2000-y2k-millennium-design-aesthetic Yes Yes No article about Y2K aesthetic does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.nylon.com/fashion/y2k-cybercore-aesthetic-fashion-trend No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-year-in-aesthetics-from-dark-academia-to-mcbling/ Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.vogue.com/article/y2k-fashion Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/58103/1/what-is-frutiger-aero-aesthetic-tiktok-msn-messenger-windows-vista-noughties No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.reeditionmagazine.com/to-the-minute/unveiling-the-mystery-exploring-the-fascinating-world-of-frutiger-aero No article about frutiger aero, does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/frutiger-aero-aesthetic-resurgance No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/style/dark-academia-tiktok.html Yes Yes paywall ? Unknown
https://www.vinsider.ca/voices/the-rise-of-dark-academia/ No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.wallflowerjournal.com/lifestyle/dark-academia-light-academia-amp-cottagecore-breaking-down-3-popular-internet-aesthetics No Dark Academia, Light Academia, & Cottagecore: Breaking Down 3 Popular Internet Aesthetics - uses the term in the headline, but nowhere in the article ✘ No
https://www.theotheraesthetic.com/blog/types-of-academia-aesthetics-which-one-are-you/ No article on Academia Aesthetics. does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
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Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://thepearlexpert.com/light-academia/ No No ~ uses the term internet aesthetic without any definition. This seems to be a very fashion specific article ✘ No
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/lifestyle/what-is-the-light-academia-aesthetic-vancouver-5516856 No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/8/3/21349640/cottagecore-taylor-swift-folklore-lesbian-clothes-animal-crossing Yes Yes No mentions internet aesthetics in the author biography, but nowhere esle in this article on cottagecore ✘ No
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/why-is-cottagecore-booming-because-being-outside-is-now-the-ultimate-taboo Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.businessinsider.com/vsco-girl-purchases-boosted-brands-vsco-app-2019-8#the-vsco-girl-summer-is-over-but-sales-are-not-2 No article about VSCO girl - does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/09/vsco-girls-explained-by-teens.html Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/vsco-girl-starter-pack Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.elle.com/fashion/trend-reports/a28709397/vsco-girls-what-to-know/ Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/20/why-vsco-girls-are-going-on-strike-for-the-climate/ needd to sign up for access ? Unknown
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-39359-4_7 paywall ? Unknown
https://www.vogue.com/article/what-is-mcbling Yes Yes No What Is McBling and How Is it Different From Y2K? - does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/news/g5694/vintage-christina-aguilera/ Yes Yes No 50 Christina Aguilera Fashion Moments You Forgot You Were Obsessed With - does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.businessinsider.com/e-girls-definition-tiktok-e-boys-anti-influencer-teen-gamers-2019-9 No Everything you need to know about e-girls and e-boys, teen gamers who have emerged as the antithesis of Instagram influencers - does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://heatworld.com/shopping/fashion/e-girl-style-guide/ No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://manofmany.com/fashion/mens-fashion-trends/what-is-an-eboy-the-true-eboy-style-explained No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://happymag.tv/indie-aesthetic/ No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/what-is-the-clean-girl-aesthetic-how-to-achieve-the-look/ Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2022/07/11048021/unbothered-clean-girl-makeup-black-women No No No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.instyle.com/clean-girl-aesthetic-fashion-trend-5496498 Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/birkenstock-arizona-sandals Yes Yes No does not mention "internet aesthetic" ✘ No
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Thank for you the table, however, it is important to note that "The terms "internet aesthetic" and "aesthetic" are often used interchangeably." (I understand that wikis are generally not reliable, but given this particular wiki is the main place internet aesthetics are documented and categorized (and is referenced in reliable sources) then I feel its page on internet aesthetics helps support basic statements about how the term itself is used.) The problem that we have is this article isn't about the term "internet aesthetic", but the concept, and the concept is widely referred to just as "aesthetics".
Internet aesthetics are just "aesthetics" (in the expanded internet usage of the word) that developed and occur primarily online.
To determine if sources are referring to internet aesthetics you need to consider the context of the article.
As an example, the Vogue article describes both internet and non-internet aesthetics:
Some are old school—Art Deco is listed along with preppy—others are products of the internet, like e-girls and bubblegum bitch
The Vogue article is discussing "aesthetics" (in the internet sense of the word) broadly, so while it could be used to establish the notability of "aesthetics", it wouldn't establish notability of any subsets of "aesthetics" such as "internet aesthetics".
As far as reliable sources that explicitly use the term "internet aesthetics" and give them significant coverage, here are three academic papers:
I believe those three papers, by themselves, are enough to meet WP:SIGCOV. The third article also includes the statement
In the past few years, researchers from English, History, Comparative Literature, Sociology, and Culture Studies, among others, have begun interrogating internet aesthetics as cultural phenomena that implicate their own disciplines, as well as the structures of academia writ large.
And appears as though it may be a source for additional articles discussing internet aesthetics. Photos of Japan (talk) 23:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nylon (magazine) has a series of articles called "Core Club" devoted to covering internet aesthetics:
Whether it's a fashion trend on TikTok or a certain style taking over Instagram, internet aesthetics are always changing online. Our series 'Core Club breaks down the looks that you're starting to see a lot on social media and highlights the people and brands channeling it best.
Extended content
she doubled down on what’s known online as “princesscore,” a style that falls under the “royalcore” internet aesthetic.
...its similarities with cottagecore and how that particular internet aesthetic
No matter what you call it, this internet aesthetic is for those who crave opulence and romance in their everyday life.
Enter: fairycore, the latest internet aesthetic taking the fashion spotlight in all its glittery, warm glory.
In the case of dark academia, its inevitable internet aesthetic opposite is slowly on the rise
Meanwhile, YouTuber Liz Ruth, who did a deep dive on the differences between the two internet aesthetics in a video that she posted in October
...one internet aesthetic is keeping the holiday's spirit in style all year long. Lovecore, which has developed a cult following...
a new internet aesthetic is tapping into childhood nostalgia: kidcore.
Photos of Japan (talk) 04:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Photos of Japan, you've done a great deal of work in finding what I would think are enough sources to save the page or at least provide a "no consensus" option. Since some of your newest finds are tucked away in an "Extended comment" box, hopefully editors will open it before commenting. This has been a long AfD! Randy Kryn (talk) 23:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete on the basis of the synthesis issue as discussed above: it is correct there are aesthetic trends, that they are localised on Internet communities and critically discussed, but the category as a whole is indefinite, lacks rigorous sourcing based on above source checks, and so the exercise of connecting the dots is largely one undertaken by the editor without any agreed typology. Without a scope it becomes confusing whether the aesthetics of interest refer to those created within and using the medium or popularised and disseminated on subcultures on the Internet. Lots to salvage here on individual trends though. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I came here due to servicing the category "Category:Articles containing suspected AI-generated texts" and found this. Had a look it. If this was a true social movement it would be academically rigourous, studied and would be referenced as such, but it isn't, with plenty of academic references available to support it. Its quite hard to find anything on gbooks except self-published books. Instead its been cobbled together from a set of independent subjects and referenced as such to popular internet sites which essentially makes it WP:OR published by the author. It was moved from draft by him without being referenced. If it had been, it wouldn't made it out. scope_creepTalk 10:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: I have replaced the LLM generated definition section with a new section that cites three academic articles. Photos of Japan (talk) 19:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wes Berry

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Promotional and created by a user who has only edited this article. 🄻🄰 17:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE — Article fails WP:GNG. While the subject is described as a bestselling author and entrepreneur, the references primarily consist of self-published materials (Goodreads) or promotional sources (espeakers.com) and press releases (Agility PR Solutions Newsroom). None of the cited sources provide in-depth, independent analysis of the subject's life or work.
Claims of “bestselling” status lack verification from independent and reliable sources and appear to rely on press releases, see: WP:RS. Subject also fails Wikipedia:AUTHOR. Nyxion303💬 Talk 18:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John B. Lee

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WP:BLP of a writer, not properly sourced as passing WP:AUTHOR. As always, writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show certain specific markers of achievement supported by WP:GNG-worthy third-party coverage about them in media and books -- but this article is completely unreferenced, and is not making any strong notability claims.
The main attempts at notability claims are that he's been municipal poet laureate of a small city and that he's been a recipient of various minor and/or unspecified literary awards that aren't highly prominent enough to confer instant inclusion freebies without sourcing for them. An award has to be notable in its own right before it can make its winners notable for winning it, so notability doesn't derive from the presence of the word "award" in the article text, it derives from the quality of the sourcing you can show to support that the award is a sufficiently notable one in the first place.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass GNG on his sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robert W. Faid

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Reliable sources mentioning Faid only mention him for a single thing: his theory that Mikhail Gorbachev is the Antichrist, for which he received the satirical Ig Nobel Prize. Here are three such sources; note that the third has merely a passing mention:

  1. Levine, Art (June 4, 1988). "THE DEVIL IN GORBACHEV". Washington Post. Archived from the original on September 5, 2022. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
  2. Abrahams, Marc (May 10, 2004). "Devilish digits". The Guardian. Archived from the original on August 8, 2022. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
  3. Whisker, Daniel (July 2012). "Apocalyptic Rhetoric on the American Religious Right: Quasi-Charisma and Anti-Charisma". Max Weber Studies. 12 (2): 159–184 – via JSTOR. The periodic modification of the specific signs of prophetic fulfilment is a key feature of the discourse: no-one now presents Mikhail Gorbachev as a potential Antichrist, as did Robert Faid in 1988 (Faid 1988), or the Native Americans as Antichrist's army, as did Cotton Mather in 1693 (Boyer 1992).

In its current state, the article contains information far beyond this single thing. This information is either completely unsourced or copied verbatim, in what I assume is a copyright violation, from Faid's obituary on Legacy.com, an unreliable source which hosts user-generated content and nonsensically claims that Faid "held the honor of being in the top ten nuclear scientists until 1975".

In my opinion, this single thing for which Faid is known is not enough to make him notable. Instead, this information, along with the three sources above, would be better suited as a part of a different article, perhaps List of conspiracy theories § Antichrist or Faid's entry at List of Ig Nobel Prize winners § 1993. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk – edits) 22:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Graeme Brosnan

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I believe Graeme Brosnan fails the WP:GNG criteria as there is almost no coverage of him that I can find. The majority of the article is unsourced self-promotion; the sources and links that are listed are either dead, do not mention him, or are citations of his own books.

Additionally, there is WP:COI from (I assume) Brosnan himself, editing under User:Brosnan.g.

This is my first nomination of an article for deletion - if I've done something wrong, procedurally or otherwise, please let me know. Iiii I I I (talk) 09:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The description of G11 reads:

This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion.

As the text currently stands it is indeed exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as an encyclopedia article. I mean, this sample in the lead paragraph speaks for itself (and has not a single reference, naturally):

Commissioned by law firms and major insurance companies to prepare and write reports on forensic investigations Graeme started his own company, Brosnans Investigation Services which was tremendously successful and he continues his involvement with the company to this day.

Of course, the text could plausibly be replaced with a more neutral-sounding article, given that this version from 2012 wasn't nearly as bad. However, the G11 description says that this is preferred if the subject is notable, which he is obviously not. I can hardly find any mention of his name in any secondary source, let alone a source in-depth and reliable enough to satisfy WP:GNG. It's equally impossible to justify WP:AUTHOR by any of the four criteria listed there.
It's really unfortunate that this stuff has been live for anyone on the Internet to read for more than a decade. --Richard Yin (talk) 11:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall Savage

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This article on science fiction author Marshall Savage seems to fall short of WP's general notability guidelines (WP:GNG) for inclusion. To the extent that this author is notable, it is for his book, The Millennial Project which has its own WP article, and for founding the First Millennial Foundation, which is covered in the book's article. The body of this article is without references and is filled with minute autobiographical-type details. This article has had January 2024 {{BLP sources}} and {{original research}} tags for almost a year now. Dotyoyo (talk) 02:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Zeinali

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DELETE — The article on Patrick Zeinali fails to meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines WP:GNG for inclusion. The subject's coverage in reliable, secondary sources appears to be insufficiently substantial and independent of promotional or self-published content. While Zeinali has a notable presence on platforms like YouTube and TikTok, the majority of the references cited either derive from websites of questionable reliability or are focused on basic statistical data (e.g., subscriber count, views) and not substantive biographical or critical coverage.

The article primary relies on low-quality or non-independent sources with several of the sources cited, such as hypeauditor.com, socialblade.com, and networthspot.com, are not considered reliable for establishing notability. They primarily provide analytics and self-reported metrics rather than independent coverage.

The limited biographical mentions from "Creator Handbook" or "The Famous People" are either brief or fail to offer in-depth, independent analysis. No significant third-party journalistic or academic sources have been identified that discuss Zeinali's work or impact in a meaningful way.

Promotional tone and focus on social media metrics: The article leans heavily on discussing subscriber counts, followers, and collaborations with other creators, which aligns more closely with promotional content than encyclopedic coverage. Notability should stem from reliable, independent coverage of the subject's lasting impact, not their self-promotion or online popularity alone.

Given these factors, the article does not appear to meet the criteria for inclusion and could be considered for deletion unless more reliable, independent, and substantial sources are provided.

Nyxion303 (talk) 00:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Im the creator of this article, honestly doesnt seem worth the effort, unless @Nyxion303 see it as notable. I wont see it as notable as well Codonified (talk) 12:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis Mukoya

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Autobiography falling below notability guidelines. Failed attempt for a parliamentary seat does not confer notability Ednabrenze (talk) 04:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harshada Pathare

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The article on Harshada Pathare fails to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for authors and filmmakers. The references cited are primarily from non-independent or low-quality sources, such as News24, Yahoo Finance, and promotional platforms like the Tagore International Film Festival’s own website. These sources lack the depth and reliability required to establish significant coverage or independent notability. Additionally, the article has a promotional tone, which violates Unambiguous Advertising or Promotion. The subject's notable achievements, including awards and books, are not adequately supported by independent, verifiable sources.

There is also a possible Conflict of Interest, as this subject has a significant creation and deletion history dating back to 2018, with five drafts and one main space article being deleted under G11. It is unlikely that this repeated effort to create the article is coincidental, especially considering the subject's limited notability as evidenced by their sparse Google presence. This raises questions about why multiple attempts have been made to establish this page, despite a lack of substantial independent coverage.

Upon further investigation, the creator of this page appears to have a pattern of creating articles with extensive personal data, often citing only one or two references. This raises concerns about verifiability and how the creator is obtaining such detailed information when it is not publicly available. These issues, combined with the lack of reliable, independent sources and a promotional tone, warrant deletion of this article for failing to meet Wikipedia’s standards for notability, neutrality, and verifiability. Kriji Sehamati (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rishabh Shah

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Rishabh Shah (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The subject of this page does not meet notability standards WP:NBIO and WP:GNG or WP:SNG. Citations are just WP:ROUTINE. Also, this might be a case of article hijacking WP:AHIJACK. The article was originally about cricketer Rishabh Arjun Chandra Shah (born 11 September 1991). In 2021, it was redirected to the List of Durham UCCE & MCCU players. Then, in 2023, the redirection was removed, and the article was recreated as Rishabh Sanjay Shah (born 3 September 1991). Charlie (talk) 18:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This nomination is part of my training and assessment activities at CVA School. Charlie (talk) 05:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. czar 17:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Sinclair

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There doesn't seem to be enough independent, secondary sources that discuss Sinclair in depth. Badbluebus (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rudraneil Sengupta

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The article on Rudraneil Sengupta does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for biographies, as it lacks adequate independent and reliable sources to substantiate the subject's significance. While the article attempts to document his career and achievements, it is insufficiently supported by verifiable evidence from secondary sources providing substantial coverage of his life and work.

Of the references cited in the article, only the first citation meets the criteria for a reliable source. The rest of the references merely mention Sengupta in passing, failing to offer independent or in-depth analysis of his contributions. This is not enough to establish notability under Wikipedia's standards, which require significant, independent coverage from credible sources.

A quick Google search further confirms the lack of independent coverage. Most search results are either related to Sengupta's published works or are affiliated with organizations he has worked for. There is no significant independent recognition or detailed media coverage, which is essential to meet notability guidelines.

The article also claims that Sengupta has received awards such as the Ramnath Goenka Award and the SOPA Award, but these claims are not supported by verifiable sources within the article or by any independent third-party confirmation. Without proper citations, such assertions cannot be deemed reliable or sufficient to demonstrate his notability.

Much of the content appears to be derived from primary sources or editorialized interpretations of his career. Wikipedia's verifiability and neutrality policies require that biographical content rely on independent, third-party sources to ensure reliability.

In conclusion, this article fails to meet Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and standards for Reliable Sources. As a result, I am nominating this article for deletion. Kriji Sehamati (talk) 15:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim McLelland

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Lack of notability; article has been tagged as possible nn since creation. Cannot find anything online other than amazon, abebooks & the like, none of which establish notability. TheLongTone (talk) 14:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ravi Kant (Indian executive)

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Non notable executive, fails wp:GNG. Zuck28 (talk) 08:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keely Shaye Smith

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Notable mainly for being Pierce Brosnan's wife. However, notability is not inherited. All reliable references to her exist because she is Pierce Brosnan's wife.

Fails notability guideline WP:JOURNALIST --LK (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Novakovich, Lilana (August 21, 1989). "Food therapy for GH's Valerie". The Toronto Star – via newspapers.com.
  2. Slewinski, Christy (December 29, 1995). "Keely Shaye Smith turns her green thumb to gold". Chicago Tribune. ProQuest 291082310 – via newspapers.com.
  3. Fabian, Allison (January 1999). "Keely Shaye Smith putting her passion to work". New Woman. Vol. 29, no. 1. New York: Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. p. 13. ProQuest 206658619.
  4. Tschinkel, Arielle (August 5, 2024). "Who Is Pierce Brosnan's Wife? All About Keely Shaye Brosnan". People (magazine).

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Gregory J. Blotnick

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It's unclear to me why this man's fraud conviction makes him notable. There were many people who committed PPP fraud and while large, his is not the largest or most well reported. I see a smattering of reporting, of the routine kind of reporting you usually see that is rewritten SEC or DOJ press releases.

Furthermore, I don't see how he is notable for his finance activities prior to his conviction.

This article seems to promote the man in a strange kind of way. I am concerned about the potential COI nature of this articles creation as well, because the Wikidata item for this page/person, Gregory Blotnick (Q131440997) is being actively edited by wikidata:User:Gregory J. Blotnick so shortly after creation. William Graham talk 05:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. While his case is covered in reliable sources, they mostly seem to be somewhat routine, nothing to me that really stands out. Quite a few sources are out there reporting on it, but I'm not sure if the content is enough for a keep. Procyon117 (talk) 16:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tulika Mehrotra

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Do not pass WP:AUTHOR or even WP:BASIC ―  ☪  Kapudan Pasha (🧾 - 💬) 18:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Given the additional work done on this article, I don't believe it qualifies for a Soft Deletion.
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Laurence James Ludovici

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PROD was contested. Subject fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. The bulk of the article is just an unsourced list of his non-notable works. The article has had a notability tag for almost 9 years with no additions to support the subjects notability. cyberdog958Talk 07:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, as the author of the first biography on Alexander Fleming, which received significant international attention at the time of its publication. I would have to disagree with your view. Dan arndt (talk) 02:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Would like to see more input from the community on the recent edits.
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